When I arrived in his ice field, having carefully crafted a way to destroy his supposedly invincible ship, and having painstakingly calculated the means to kill his supposedly unkillable pod--that was the first time he ever played EVE.

No, actually. I agreed with the miners when they wanted better tanks for hulks. It's stupid that they can't fit a tank equivalent to other medium T2 ships. They have no hardpoints and tiny drone bays so it's not like they'll suddenly become uber combat ships. I also think high sec income should be nerfed severely. I haven't mined since the beginning of Eve, but when I did, I did it in a 0.2. I'm all for miners getting all the buffs they want. Believe it or not it's possible to be a miner who isn't a carebear. I'd love if they doubled the income from arkanor in fact. I do, however, want to nerf the **** out of carebears of all kinds and won't be happy until high sec income is appropriate for the newbie area that it is. I'd like level 3 mission income to be cut in half and level 4 missions and incursions to be moved to low sec.

Too long, didn't read most of it.

What I did read was hysterical garbage.

Eve has been runnning fine since 2003 because it offers a wide range of environment, from relative high sec safety to full blown pvp environment with no local like wormholes. Now if you remove the notion of protected space like high sec and low sec sentries, the subs would dive big timeand in the end, subscriptions are what matter.

I skipped truckloads of OP drivel to focus on this:



Who are you to decide how others are meant to play or how good has to be their experience in EvE?

Leave to CCP to mediate between the differing requests.

Edit: Profanity removed, CCP Phantom

Read all of it, and I must say, I am amazed by the depths of your obsession. You have reached a new, never before seen level of obsession on the internet, and that is quite a feat. Now please register for residence in the nearest insane asylum.

For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing.

Before i read all of this massive wall of words, i wish to know one thing:

I myself consider me being a (proud) carebear, because i avoid PvP and prefer PvE action in WH- and HighSec-space.
Nevertheless ... i'm pretty fine with the "there's no save place in EVE" and do NOT want it to be removed.
In fact i consider it as a challenge.

Therefore ... how is a carebear defined in EVE?

And of course I couldn't possibley have firends in other none hi-sec corps. Infact I'm in the process of moving out to null sec, you guys play too rough in Hi-sec for me.

I do like Pvp. I just don't like Eve's pvp, so I don't participate in it. If you want more people to participate in the pvp, writing multi-page manifestos about how people who don't like Eve's pvp are Playing The Game Wrong won't do you any good.

You either make the pvp more appealing, or you accept that the type of pvp you enjoy isn't very popular.

My subscription fees say otherwise.

He could have covered the Grandfather Paradox and the Unified Field Theory for all I can remember. The posts weren't well written enough for me to bother reading them at length. I'll go back and have a look so.

Ok I reread "how carebears killed nullsec pvp", as ridiculous as the idea was. I get what he was saying, you need someone or something for the pvpers on either side to fight over. At the time, it was mining fleets. Over time, miners presumably found this less and less appealing.

That horse has bolted, I don't think you can entice them back. You(or CCP) need to come up with another conflict driver in nullsec.

I subscribed to a game that had a vast, single-shard universe/server, a wealth of ship, module and skill choices, and a vast selection of space related activities to choose from. One of which was pvp, which I concluded was not in my interest any more then mining was. That game has not fundamentally changed since I arrived. Its the zealots on either side who want to either turf everyone bar the newbies out of highsec, or prevent all violence in highsec that are trying to fundamentally change the game. And I'm not a fan of that.